Posts by cha ching

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Problems: The Bethel Family and Social Security Tax Exemption

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

so i happened to be reading a website about the amish, and i came across this:.

"do the amish pay taxes?

""self-employed amish do not pay social security tax.

cha ching

We just had an old friend (who moved away yeaaaarrrs ago) pop in with a surprise visit. He is from the East Coast, U.S.

We have a Bethelite "friend" in common, who has been their for years. We were told this common "friend" said "Yeah, I get an SS check every month, like getting free money in the mail!"

When the Bethel guy left here, he was 27? His family was very rich, but he signed a vow of poverty. So, even if they died and left him money, he couldn't accept it, right?

He may have worked when younger (but not sure because of rich family) but even if he did get SS wages, how can Bethelites accept money if they signed a vow of poverty?

Will Bethel take their checks and cash them?

thx, cha ching

13

Watchtowers Prophesy Date's DON'T ADD UP! .

by Londo111 in

snarky's version is much more entertaining:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqluxvfvalm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu7030iiabu.

cha ching

Thank you for doing the math Londo!

I looooove the Excel formulas, I didn't know you could do that with dates and numbers, or I would have spared my brain a long time ago...

How many people will sit there with a calender, or a calculator and do the math?

Especially when going to five meetings a week, field serve-us, building kingdom halls, cleaning kh's, reading WT's and AW's, studying for meetings, going on shepherding calls, waiting for mates to get done with elder's meetings, etc... ????

Those explanations always did hurt my brain..... Especially when they use 'vagueries' to explain very specific detailed prophecies.

"Charlatans" ....

"Con-men" ...

"Pseudo-Intellectuals"...

Wanting to be worshipped...

Like Snarky said, "What makes me cry, are the people that actually follow them."

cha ching

74

Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly in

wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

" in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

cha ching

Dang! Sorry, I must have read and read and read and researched waaaay too much!

Thx Londo, I'd rather be corrected & correct!

I want to be way different than the WTBS!

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WHY TRUST "THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE"

by Oubliette in

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cha ching

Oubliette: Thx for the quotes...

Very interesting how the basis for confidence disappears, "Now you see it, now you don't'

Magicians are good entertainers, but life should not be built upon the "slight of hand."

cha ching

74

Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly in

wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

" in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

cha ching

Yes, I ACTUALLY am sooooooooooo grateful for the posts & calculations, and explanations of AnnOMaly & Leolaia.

I just wanted to mathematically express how mentally frustrating it is to even try and rationalize/ excuse this type of calculating.

Am I wrong here? Please let me ask again....

I don't care if the Jews had 2 or 3 or 4 or any other type of other calendar for adjusting "times"... or if they knew about solar, lunar, whatchabugger... anything. And, if God wanted them to use 365 Gregorian calendar years, why did He make them calculate using 360 day "prophetic years?" Ahhhh!!!

When PEOPLE (the "Society") want to use ONE WAY ("prophetic" years of 360) to calculate "YEARS," then they should keep that "sacred, Bible given, instituted, holy spirit led” way of thinking up. I mean, they do want to "hold true" to the "sacred" writings, hmm?

607 was my breaking point. I thoroughly studied those two WT’s in 2011, and saw all the misquotes, no quotes, half quotes, and misleading statements. I did the calculations…

I saw them discount tablets and historians at the drop of a hat, then use them quicker than a wink of an eye if they needed them.

I read the small little footnote at the bottom of the page regarding the Egibi business tablets (that cover every single year of Babylonian rule during Nebuchadnezzar) that ‘When the years that these kings ruled, and are totaled, and a calculation is made back from th last Neo-Babylonian king, Nabonidus, the date reached for the destruction of Jerusalem is 587 B.C.E.” (WT Nov 1, 2011 pg. 24 In THE smallest font possible)

In the paragraph to the left, what does the WTBS use for “evidence”? Questions… Doubt…

“Why are there discrepancies? … Could others have ruled? If so, additional years would have to be added to the Neo Babylonian period. Therefore, neither the Babylonian chronicles nor the business tablets provide a basis to establish with certainty that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 B.C.E.

THEREFORE? That “therefore” was built upon assumptions….

And don’t forget their “disclaimer” to the right… regarding those Egibi business tablets. Yep, those little business accounting tablets prove it was more like 586/ 587. But you have to read the fine print.

Great for a “legal corporation,” right?

25

Disassociation

by evilone in

jw
friends

hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

cha ching

Oh my God, no!

Don't do it, it will happen, they will find you, your family WILL find out.

Watchtower is evil, and delights in breaking up families.

Give them no power, no respect, no nothing. They do not deserve it, you owe them nothing.

The best thing to do is live your happy life.... and keep your family...

74

Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly in

wtbts published a new article on jw.org (http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/) entitled "what does bible chronology indicate about the year 1914?

" in it, it points to daniel 4 as the prophecy and uses the same leaps of insane logic to get from the first and only fulfillment of that prophecy to 1914, using 607 as the starting point and 2,520 years as doubling the 1,260 years in revelation.

of course, there is no accounting for the difference in our solar years and the bible's lunar years, which makes the math have a very different outcome.

cha ching

Mathematically, if “X = 360 in the first part of an equation, then one must still use X as still equal yo 360 in the second part..

You cannot switch the value of X in the middle of an equation……

So…………

If 7 times X = 2,520 years, then 2,520 divided by 7 = 360 …

There is NO WAY you can start saying;

“Now that we know 7 x 360 = 2,520, let's divide 2,520 by 365 and find out where the 2,520 years end!"

Unless, of course, you are the Watchtower, then you can use any type of disfunctional math you want to.

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My Experience in the Watchtower (Part Three)

by Eiben Scrood in

it's been a long time but some may remember that i wrote part one of my life story a couple of years ago.

i followed that up with part two a few months later.

i have found that i have to be in a certain mindset to write about these things and only now have i been able to continue with the third part.

cha ching

Wow! So sorry, I hope you are hanging in there?

Very interesting that the 1995 thing (reading that intro in the Awake about "the Creator's promise that we'll see God's kingdom before "the end of the century") was something that really struck my husband also. I was oblivious to it... didn't read the inside cover... but he would read this "promise" to people at the door, as if it WAS a "promise from God," after all... it WAS from the "faithful and discreet slave," right?

Thank you for sharing, I really think it helps others who (by reading, I have observed) have gone thru some of the same things, and feel as you do and did.

cha ching

24

Reoccurring dream I have

by punkofnice in

.........although sometimes slight differences.. bear in mind i am in the uk and we don't go a bundle on therapy and i can't afford it anyway.. here is the dream manifest content as best i can recall.............. i am in a town or city.

i come across a shop which inside is more like an indoor market, sometimes a cavern.

it sells marvel comics.

cha ching

Just my opinion... but I think we all want to do something that we couldn't do as a "witness."

Everyone gave something up.

Why not 'dream'? Go for it! Enjoy it! Be arty! Be S P I D Y!

That is what makes life fun, doing things we love!

Drawing, creating, expressing brings contentment... and doesn't cost much (if on a tight budget)

Go to the max in your creativity, and see if you dream changes!?!!!

HaveF U N !!!

Let us know... Cha Ching!

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Help me Plz (teen issues)

by Demokan in

jw
friends

i have bdd, it isn't just the meetings it's everything.

i don't want to go but i feel guilty of not going cause he said everyone is wondering where i am, but i dont want anyone to see my face... and tomorrow they said they'll call me to make sure im going but it's so tough.

also how do i cancel talks thx.. .

cha ching

Dear Demokan,

Sorry it's so hard for you... not just you, but for people older than you, to say "no."

Talks? hmmm... just say you have too much to do nowadays w/school... "Too much pressure"

As far as someone calling... don't answer the phone... haha... that always works..

Please tell us more about your circumstances...

Who is calling? What does BDD mean?

hang in there, cha ching